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Comparing our returns to other clubs?
We just met last night and our club continues to be
impressed by our stocks' performance. I'm wondering if our
returns are common with what other clubs are experiencing or
if we're actually doing what we set out do...MAKE MONEY.
:-) Is there someplace on Bivio where we can compare our
results? Kimberly
Probably the easiest way to get a handle on whether your club's performance
is "above average" is to use the Performance Benchmark report and compare
your club's IRR with an appropriate benchmark; say, the Vanguard 500 Index
Fund (for a club that owns essentially all large companies) or the Vanguard
Total Stock Market Index Fund (for a club which has also diversified into
medium and small companies). Do this over several time periods (1 year, 3
years, 5 year, 10 years). If a club's IRR exceeds an appropriate benchmark
IRR by 1 or 2 percentage points over a variety of time periods, the club is
doing very well indeed.

You could also ask Laurie to produce a "relative return" chart for your club
which compares, over time, your club's IRR with a benchmark IRR.

In general it makes no sense to compare IRR ("absolute return") for one club
with another club. That's because the cash moving in and out of the two
clubs each month is unlikely to be the same.

-Jim Thomas

> We just met last night and our club continues to be
> impressed by our stocks' performance. I'm wondering if our
> returns are common with what other clubs are experiencing or
> if we're actually doing what we set out do...MAKE MONEY.
> :-) Is there someplace on Bivio where we can compare our
> results?

In general it makes no sense to compare IRR ("absolute return") for one club with another club. That's because the cash moving in and out of the two clubs each month is unlikely to be the same.

If you consider that IRR is measuring how a club is making investing decisions during a specific time period which would include timing of cash flows as well as choices of investments, I don't see why you can't compare relative returns between clubs.

I've been kicking around the thought of putting together a comparison of the results of the clubs which have asked for Quest for Positive Relative Returns graphs. I'm thinking the list would be anonymous unless a club chose to have their name displayed.


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Laurie!
 
I love your idea of "putting together a comparison of the results of the clubs which have asked for Positive Relative Return graphs".
 
Start with anonymous, although I would encourage our club to not be anonymous. And we are not beating the Index - any index - by any margin! The Quest continues!!
 
Can't wait to see the product!
 
Best Regards,
 
Leo Cardillo
Treasurer,
711 Investment Club
 


From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
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In general it makes no sense to compare IRR ("absolute return") for one club with another club. �That's because the cash moving in and out of the two clubs each month is unlikely to be the same.

If you consider that IRR is measuring how a club is making investing decisions during a specific time period which would include timing of cash flows as well as choices of investments, I don't see why you can't compare relative returns between clubs.

I've been kicking around the thought of putting together a comparison of the results of the clubs which have asked for Quest for Positive Relative Returns graphs. �� I'm thinking the list would be anonymous unless a club chose to have their name displayed.


--
Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend! �www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter!� www.twitter.com/bivio
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If you consider that IRR is measuring how a club is making investing decisions during a specific time period which would include timing of cash flows as well as choices of investments, I don't see why you can't compare relative returns between clubs.
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What is your comparison telling you? You might have a club that put a lot of money in one hot stock early in the period, so they show a much better IRR than you. Does that mean that they are better stock pickers or better market timers? If they had made their investments at the same times that you did for the same amounts their performance might be very different. I agree with Jim. Comparing the irr of two clubs is of little or no value when the cash flows are different.
 
Rip West
Saint Paul, MN
 
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