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Comparing our returns to other clubs? We just met last night and our club continues to be impressed by our stocks' performance. I'm wondering if our returns are common with what other clubs are experiencing or if we're actually doing what we set out do...MAKE MONEY. :-) Is there someplace on Bivio where we can compare our results? Kimberly Probably the easiest way to get a handle on whether your club's performance is "above average" is to use the Performance Benchmark report and compare your club's IRR with an appropriate benchmark; say, the Vanguard 500 Index Fund (for a club that owns essentially all large companies) or the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund (for a club which has also diversified into medium and small companies). Do this over several time periods (1 year, 3 years, 5 year, 10 years). If a club's IRR exceeds an appropriate benchmark IRR by 1 or 2 percentage points over a variety of time periods, the club is doing very well indeed. You could also ask Laurie to produce a "relative return" chart for your club which compares, over time, your club's IRR with a benchmark IRR. In general it makes no sense to compare IRR ("absolute return") for one club with another club. That's because the cash moving in and out of the two clubs each month is unlikely to be the same. -Jim Thomas > We just met last night and our club continues to be > impressed by our stocks' performance. I'm wondering if our > returns are common with what other clubs are experiencing or > if we're actually doing what we set out do...MAKE MONEY. > :-) Is there someplace on Bivio where we can compare our > results?
If you consider that IRR is measuring how a club is making investing decisions during a specific time period which would include timing of cash flows as well as choices of investments, I don't see why you can't compare relative returns between clubs. I've been kicking around the thought of putting together a comparison of the results of the clubs which have asked for Quest for Positive Relative Returns graphs. I'm thinking the list would be anonymous unless a club chose to have their name displayed. Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio
Laurie!
I love your idea of "putting together a comparison of the
results of the clubs which have asked for Positive Relative Return
graphs".
Start with anonymous, although I would encourage our club to
not be anonymous. And we are not beating the Index - any index - by any margin!
The Quest continues!!
Can't wait to see the product!
Best Regards,
Leo Cardillo
Treasurer,
711 Investment Club
From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:06 PM To: club_cafe@bivio.com Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Comparing our returns to other clubs?
If you consider that IRR is measuring how a club is making investing decisions during a specific time period which would include timing of cash flows as well as choices of investments, I don't see why you can't compare relative returns between clubs. I've been kicking around the thought of putting together a comparison of the results of the clubs which have asked for Quest for Positive Relative Returns graphs. �� I'm thinking the list would be anonymous unless a club chose to have their name displayed. � Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com Become our Facebook friend! �www.facebook.com/bivio Follow us on twitter!� www.twitter.com/bivio <<
If you consider that IRR is measuring how a club is making investing
decisions during a specific time period which would include timing of cash flows
as well as choices of investments, I don't see why you can't compare relative
returns between clubs.
>> What is your comparison telling you? You might have a club that put a
lot of money in one hot stock early in the period, so they show a much better
IRR than you. Does that mean that they are better stock pickers or better market
timers? If they had made their investments at the same times that you did for
the same amounts their performance might be very different. I agree with Jim.
Comparing the irr of two clubs is of little or no value when the cash flows are
different.
Rip West
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