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Having a Discussion
Hey Laurie,
Your message is a good one, but it covers several different points:
1. the topic of participation regarding stock discussion
2. an invitation to join the Manifest group think
3. an invitation to attend a Manifest Challenge Club meeting
I'd like to address #1. I wholeheartedly agree that participation is the key to better communication, better learning and better stock decisions. I don't necessarily agree that anonimity is the best course of action. I think that Mark's group think was set up that way so that many people could participate in the process.
In a club environment, I've tried it both ways and I find that people do not put in as much thought or effort into their due diligence if they are not responsible for their judgments.
Anyone can say, "Yeah, I chose 15% for EPS going forward." But without the reasoning behind that decision, it's meaningless to the group. When members of my club are asked to bring SSGs to a group think, we all want to know their judgments and how they arrived at them. This lets us know if that member is actually putting any effort into the process, or if they simply pulled the numbers out of...you know where! It's also a great learning experience for newer members who get to see how more experienced members work through the process.
Oftentimes, we'll get answers like, "I chose the 5-yr high and low P/Es because I'm not comfortable choosing my own yet." That answer is perfectly reasonable, and it tells us where the member is in relation to their experience, as well as where we need to focus our education.
What I have found to be most successful at our meetings is to go around the room, on every discussion, and give members a chance to share their opinions before every vote. When they know it's coming, so they tend to be prepared.
Thanks for all the great posts! You've added plenty of great content to this board in the last few months. Always nice to see your thoughts! See you in Minneapolis.
Lynn Ostrem
Crow River Investment Club
Thanks Lynn,
I think you have valid points and I think we are trying to address the same issue which is getting everyone to participate.
Going around the room and asking for everyones input is a good methodology. I just find that sometimes people are not quite as open when having to speak in person, especially if they disagree with something someone else is saying. The peer pressure factor seems to come into play a little bit more. It depends on your group. I can see it being very effective in some groups and maybe not as good in others. It’s a good thing to think about.
I’m interested in hearing others thoughts on getting everyone in your club to participate. I imagine there are a variety of techniques people use and I bet we all might be open to some new ideas to try.
Laurie
Just a quick note on this important aspect of Investment Club
process.
Our club has a standing Investment Committee (IC) which
meets the week before the monthly meeting, chaired by the club's VP, with the
Treasurer and two or three other members. The good news is that the IC does the
heavy lifting in reviewing the portfolio and making buy/sell recommendations for
the club to discuss and then vote at the regular meeting. The bad news is that
the IC does the heavy lifting, and it can preclude/disarm/discourge any other
substantive work and input from the members! The actual vote is a "secret" paper
ballot, which is all too often without any/many "no" votes.
In years past, the discussion and the vote have been more
lively and interactive, which is vital. We are working on ways to encourage
member input and participation.
I had hoped to have each member of the club adopt one or more
of our stocks and be a focal point for future input and recommendations re
buy/hold./sell, but that idea has not gained much
acceptance.
I am also encouraging webinar participation, to include
ManifestInvesting, but that has gained little acceptance, as well.
Finally, I do not think that our members are using the Club
Cafe, which I find most informative.
I will stay with the Club Cafe and the Webinars and see what
we can improve in this vital area of member participation and
discussion.
Best Regards,
Leo From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:43 AM To: 'The Club Cafe' Subject: club_cafe: Having a Discussion
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