Communications
club_cafe
HelpRegister
club_cafe: Re: Dividends
Increase or decrease (if expenses/losses are greater than income). Actually the change doesn't necessarily equal the taxable portion reported on the K-1 forms because nondeductible expenses and returns of capital also affect the tax basis. But the concept is the same.
 
You can see the change by running a member status report on 12/30/03 and then on 12/31/03 if your club was in existence last year.
 
Ira Smilovitz
 
In a message dated 11/9/2004 11:56:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, ted_metro@bivio.com writes:
So on 12/31 the "Total Paid" column on Bivio will just
increase for each member relative to their proportionate
share of dividends received during the calendar year?  Which
means the increase would equal their taxable portion
reported on their respective K-1 forms?

Thanks for the quick and informative reply!!!


IraS1@aol.com wrote:
> Yes, dividends (and other income and expense) impact the cost basis of the
> members in your club. However, the method for accounting for that change is
> somewhat different from that used by mutual funds.
>  
> Within bivio, the cost basis adjustment is made on December 31 after the
> tax allocations have been determined. Unlike a mutual fund, where the dividends
> are actually paid out to the investors who then have a choice of whether to
> reinvest the dividend or keep the cash, investment club "dividends" are always
> reinvested. So, rather than lowering the price per unit and purchasing more
> units and the new (lower) price, bivio keeps the current unit value
> constant and raises the cost per unit for each of the units you already own. The
> net result is the same.
>  
> Ira Smilovitz 
>  
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 10:01:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> ted_metro@bivio.com writes:
> Do
>   dividends impact the cost basis of the members in our
> club?  It seems
>   that because dividends raise the value of
> the share price, they would have
>   to be paid out as a
> distribution (like a mutual fund) in order to impact
>   cost
> basis.  Then the share price would have to be adjusted down
> to
>   reflect the payout of the dividends, even though most (if
> not all) members
>   would just reinvest those dividends in more
> shares (adjusting their cost
>   basis).
>
> I guess it seems to me like a mutual fund.  They collect
>   all
> these dividends throughout the year, but until they pay them
> out
>   (usually in December) my cost basis doesn't change, but
> my fund's share
>   price is going up as the total value has
> gone up from dividends.
>
> Can
>   someone confirm or correct me about how dividends may or
> may not impact our
>   cost basis information for members??
>
>
>
 
One last question, I apologize, but thank you for the
excellent responses.

So capital gains/losses would be treated similarly as
dividends in regards to increasing or decreasing a tax
basis??

IraS1@aol.com wrote:
> Increase or decrease (if expenses/losses are greater than income). Actually
> the change doesn't necessarily equal the taxable portion reported on the K-1
> forms because nondeductible expenses and returns of capital also affect the
> tax basis. But the concept is the same.
>  
> You can see the change by running a member status report on 12/30/03 and
> then on 12/31/03 if your club was in existence last year.
>  
> Ira Smilovitz
>  
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 11:56:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> ted_metro@bivio.com writes:
> So on
> 12/31 the "Total Paid" column on Bivio will just
> increase for each member
> relative to their proportionate
> share of dividends received during the
> calendar year?  Which
> means the increase would equal their taxable
> portion
> reported on their respective K-1 forms?
>
> Thanks for the quick
> and informative reply!!!
>
>
> IraS1@aol.com wrote:
> > Yes,
> dividends (and other income and expense) impact the cost basis of the
> >
> members in your club. However, the method for accounting for that change
> is
> > somewhat different from that used by mutual funds.
> >
>  
> > Within bivio, the cost basis adjustment is made on December 31
> after the
> > tax allocations have been determined. Unlike a mutual fund,
> where the dividends
> > are actually paid out to the investors who then
> have a choice of whether to
> > reinvest the dividend or keep the cash,
> investment club "dividends" are always
> > reinvested. So, rather than
> lowering the price per unit and purchasing more
> > units and the new
> (lower) price, bivio keeps the current unit value
> > constant and
> raises the cost per unit for each of the units you already own. The
> >
> net result is the same.
> >  
> > Ira Smilovitz 
> >
>  
> > In a message dated 11/9/2004 10:01:00 AM Eastern Standard
> Time,
> > ted_metro@bivio.com writes:
> > Do
> >  
> dividends impact the cost basis of the members in our
> > club?  It
> seems
> >   that because dividends raise the value of
> >
> the share price, they would have
> >   to be paid out as
> a
> > distribution (like a mutual fund) in order to
> impact
> >   cost
> > basis.  Then the share price
> would have to be adjusted down
> > to
> >   reflect the
> payout of the dividends, even though most (if
> > not all)
> members
> >   would just reinvest those dividends in
> more
> > shares (adjusting their cost
> >  
> basis).
> >
> > I guess it seems to me like a mutual fund.  They
> collect
> >   all
> > these dividends throughout the year,
> but until they pay them
> > out
> >   (usually in December)
> my cost basis doesn't change, but
> > my fund's share
> >  
> price is going up as the total value has
> > gone up from
> dividends.
> >
> > Can
> >   someone confirm or correct
> me about how dividends may or
> > may not impact our
> >  
> cost basis information for members??
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>