Hello out there. What are the advantages of the Bivio
accounting program (which costs $99 a year over NOCA (NAIC
Oline club Accounting) which costs $49? ( Clearly, there
must be a reason why some clubs switch to Bivio.)

I believe you have your facts wrong. Without getting into the merits of
the two programs, bivio costs $69 a year, and that includes tax
preparation. NOCA costs $49, but without tax preparation. If you add tax
preparation to NOCA, it will cost an additional $59.

Rip West
Saint Paul, MN

Rip West wrote:

> If you add tax
> preparation to NOCA, it will cost an additional $59.

$49, actually.

Bryce

<<
$49, actually.

Bryce
>>

Thanks, Bryce. That's what I get for believing your website <g>

http://www.iclub.com/products/tax_printer.asp

Rip West
Saint Paul, MN

> Thanks, Bryce. That's what I get for believing your website <g>
>
> http://www.iclub.com/products/tax_printer.asp

You were looking at the page for the desktop tax printer. For info on the
NOCA tax printer, see:

http://www.iclub.com/products/web_tax_printer.asp

Bryce Klempner
ICLUBcentral Inc.

Marcia De Fren writes:
> Hello out there. What are the advantages of the Bivio
> accounting program (which costs $99 a year over NOCA (NAIC
> Oline club Accounting) which costs $49? ( Clearly, there
> must be a reason why some clubs switch to Bivio.)

To be clear, the price for NOCA is $98/year, and the equivalent bivio
service (Club Accounting) is $69/year. bivio's $99/year service is
called AccountSync, which gives you accounting, taxes, and automatic
updates from your brokerage account. This last feature is not
available with NOCA. AccountSync is an incredible service, because it
automates most of what you have to do by hand with NOCA for the
equivalent price.

One of the things you get with bivio is clarity. We list all the
prices on our home page (lower left corner). Off our home page, we
have a table which compares the services in detail:

http://www.bivio.com/hm/services.html

At bivio, we try to be as clear and upfront with our customers as
possible. We let you try our accounting service free for three
months. We provide a public email address (support@bivio.com) to ask
questions--whether you are a customer or not--and you can phone us at
+1 866.248.7571.

We also believe in open standards. Your bivio accounting data is
available to you in XML, an industry standard for data exchange. NOCA
encrypts your accounting data to make it difficult for you to switch
to bivio.

Yet another example of our commitment to our customers is that we meet
the Better Business Bureau's membership standards, and proudly display
the BBBOnLine seal on every page.

You might also want to check out what leading magazines say about bivio:

http://www.bivio.com/hm/press.html

Best of all, bivio's award winning quality and service is 30% cheaper
than NOCA!

Cheers,
Rob Nagler
bivio Inc.

Rob Nagler wrote:
> Marcia De Fren writes:
> > Hello out there. What are the advantages of the Bivio
> > accounting program (which costs $99 a year over NOCA (NAIC
> > Oline club Accounting) which costs $49? ( Clearly, there
> > must be a reason why some clubs switch to Bivio.)
>
> To be clear, the price for NOCA is $98/year, and the equivalent bivio
> service (Club Accounting) is $69/year. bivio's $99/year service is
> called AccountSync, which gives you accounting, taxes, and automatic
> updates from your brokerage account. This last feature is not
> available with NOCA. AccountSync is an incredible service, because it
> automates most of what you have to do by hand with NOCA for the
> equivalent price.
>
> One of the things you get with bivio is clarity. We list all the
> prices on our home page (lower left corner). Off our home page, we
> have a table which compares the services in detail:
>
> http://www.bivio.com/hm/services.html
>
> At bivio, we try to be as clear and upfront with our customers as
> possible. We let you try our accounting service free for three
> months. We provide a public email address (support@bivio.com) to ask
> questions--whether you are a customer or not--and you can phone us at
> +1 866.248.7571.
>
> We also believe in open standards. Your bivio accounting data is
> available to you in XML, an industry standard for data exchange. NOCA
> encrypts your accounting data to make it difficult for you to switch
> to bivio.
>
> Yet another example of our commitment to our customers is that we meet
> the Better Business Bureau's membership standards, and proudly display
> the BBBOnLine seal on every page.
>
> You might also want to check out what leading magazines say about bivio:
>
> http://www.bivio.com/hm/press.html
>
> Best of all, bivio's award winning quality and service is 30% cheaper
> than NOCA!
>
> Cheers,
> Rob Nagler
> bivio Inc.

I really appreciate all the help you guys are giving me.
It's helping me make up my mind. I will present all this
material to my club in two weeks and I'm pretty sure we'll
vote to go with Bivio. Now, if someone would only answer my
prior question about transitioning from equal shares to unit
shares....
Best,
Marcia De Fren
Wi$eWomen of West Palm Beach

Marcia De Fren wrote:
> Rob Nagler wrote:
> > Marcia De Fren writes:
> > > Hello out there. What are the advantages of the Bivio
> > > accounting program (which costs $99 a year over NOCA (NAIC
> > > Oline club Accounting) which costs $49? ( Clearly, there
> > > must be a reason why some clubs switch to Bivio.)
> >
> > To be clear, the price for NOCA is $98/year, and the equivalent bivio
> > service (Club Accounting) is $69/year. bivio's $99/year service is
> > called AccountSync, which gives you accounting, taxes, and automatic
> > updates from your brokerage account. This last feature is not
> > available with NOCA. AccountSync is an incredible service, because it
> > automates most of what you have to do by hand with NOCA for the
> > equivalent price.
> >
> > One of the things you get with bivio is clarity. We list all the
> > prices on our home page (lower left corner). Off our home page, we
> > have a table which compares the services in detail:
> >
> > http://www.bivio.com/hm/services.html
> >
> > At bivio, we try to be as clear and upfront with our customers as
> > possible. We let you try our accounting service free for three
> > months. We provide a public email address (support@bivio.com) to ask
> > questions--whether you are a customer or not--and you can phone us at
> > +1 866.248.7571.
> >
> > We also believe in open standards. Your bivio accounting data is
> > available to you in XML, an industry standard for data exchange. NOCA
> > encrypts your accounting data to make it difficult for you to switch
> > to bivio.
> >
> > Yet another example of our commitment to our customers is that we meet
> > the Better Business Bureau's membership standards, and proudly display
> > the BBBOnLine seal on every page.
> >
> > You might also want to check out what leading magazines say about bivio:
> >
> > http://www.bivio.com/hm/press.html
> >
> > Best of all, bivio's award winning quality and service is 30% cheaper
> > than NOCA!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rob Nagler
> > bivio Inc.
>
> I really appreciate all the help you guys are giving me.
> It's helping me make up my mind. I will present all this
> material to my club in two weeks and I'm pretty sure we'll
> vote to go with Bivio. Now, if someone would only answer my
> prior question about transitioning from equal shares to unit
> shares....
> Best,
> Marcia De Fren
> Wi$eWomen of West Palm Beach
Our club has had bivio for two years at least and we love
it. I must add that it is probably accountsync that we most
love. I just handed off to a new treasurer who was most
apprehensive, but she says she does most of the monthly
accounting in less than an hour. I don't know anything
about NOCA.
Anne Weeks

Thanks Anne!


----- Original Message -----
From: "ANNE WEEKS" <finances_first@bivio.com>
To: <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: club_cafe: Re: club accounting - Bivio vs. NOCA


> Marcia De Fren wrote:
> > Rob Nagler wrote:
> > > Marcia De Fren writes:
> > > > Hello out there. What are the advantages of the Bivio
> > > > accounting program (which costs $99 a year over NOCA (NAIC
> > > > Oline club Accounting) which costs $49? ( Clearly, there
> > > > must be a reason why some clubs switch to Bivio.)
> > >
> > > To be clear, the price for NOCA is $98/year, and the equivalent bivio
> > > service (Club Accounting) is $69/year. bivio's $99/year service is
> > > called AccountSync, which gives you accounting, taxes, and automatic
> > > updates from your brokerage account. This last feature is not
> > > available with NOCA. AccountSync is an incredible service, because it
> > > automates most of what you have to do by hand with NOCA for the
> > > equivalent price.
> > >
> > > One of the things you get with bivio is clarity. We list all the
> > > prices on our home page (lower left corner). Off our home page, we
> > > have a table which compares the services in detail:
> > >
> > > http://www.bivio.com/hm/services.html
> > >
> > > At bivio, we try to be as clear and upfront with our customers as
> > > possible. We let you try our accounting service free for three
> > > months. We provide a public email address (support@bivio.com) to ask
> > > questions--whether you are a customer or not--and you can phone us at
> > > +1 866.248.7571.
> > >
> > > We also believe in open standards. Your bivio accounting data is
> > > available to you in XML, an industry standard for data exchange. NOCA
> > > encrypts your accounting data to make it difficult for you to switch
> > > to bivio.
> > >
> > > Yet another example of our commitment to our customers is that we meet
> > > the Better Business Bureau's membership standards, and proudly display
> > > the BBBOnLine seal on every page.
> > >
> > > You might also want to check out what leading magazines say about
> > > bivio:
> > >
> > > http://www.bivio.com/hm/press.html
> > >
> > > Best of all, bivio's award winning quality and service is 30% cheaper
> > > than NOCA!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Rob Nagler
> > > bivio Inc.
> >
> > I really appreciate all the help you guys are giving me.
> > It's helping me make up my mind. I will present all this
> > material to my club in two weeks and I'm pretty sure we'll
> > vote to go with Bivio. Now, if someone would only answer my
> > prior question about transitioning from equal shares to unit
> > shares....
> > Best,
> > Marcia De Fren
> > Wi$eWomen of West Palm Beach
> Our club has had bivio for two years at least and we love
> it. I must add that it is probably accountsync that we most
> love. I just handed off to a new treasurer who was most
> apprehensive, but she says she does most of the monthly
> accounting in less than an hour. I don't know anything
> about NOCA.
> Anne Weeks
>