Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don’t want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred
to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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Barbara,
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Just some things to consider.
Kim Potter, Treasurer
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 12:49:50 PM EST, Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred
to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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Thank you for your insight! All very helpful points So if we decide to go forward are you saying we should check with
Bivio Support first to see if it would cause a tax problem in reporting?
Thank you!
From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>
On Behalf Of Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 12:06 PM To: club_cafe@bivio.com Subject: Re: [club_cafe] ETFS
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Barbara,
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly
did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Just some things to consider.
Kim Potter, Treasurer
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 12:49:50 PM EST, Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought
about them. We don’t want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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Headaches with ETFs:
-Sometimes they have distributions which are not taxable dividends but return of capital. If the Brokerage does not catch that, you will pay tax on the dividend that is not really taxable. It pays to keep up with the ETF separately from the brokerage and Bivo.
-This year we had capital gains distributions from an ETF.
None of these are overwhelming. A little more work perhaps, but interesting (no, I am quite sane thank you).
Of the reasons we invested in one ETF, for instance, was because it was impossible to get into small cap companies in the genetics field. Many of them are not well followed by analysts, and certainly not by Value Line and only maybe by Morningstar. So we punted and got into an ETF.
ETFs actually are pretty interesting if you get into comparing them. There is a whole other set of metrics for comparing them.
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred
to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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Mike & Kim Potter on
Peter,
That was really interesting concept - the ETF for small cap genetics. I'm going to look into that. Could you share the ticker?
Kim
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Headaches with ETFs:
-Sometimes they have distributions which are not taxable dividends but return of capital. If the Brokerage does not catch that, you will pay tax on the dividend that is not really taxable. It pays to keep up with the ETF separately from the brokerage and Bivo.
-This year we had capital gains distributions from an ETF.
None of these are overwhelming. A little more work perhaps, but interesting (no, I am quite sane thank you).
Of the reasons we invested in one ETF, for instance, was because it was impossible to get into small cap companies in the genetics field. Many of them are not well followed by analysts, and certainly not by Value Line and only maybe by Morningstar. So we punted and got into an ETF.
ETFs actually are pretty interesting if you get into comparing them. There is a whole other set of metrics for comparing them.
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred
to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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Mike & Kim Potter on
I'm saying you can check with Bivio Support on specific ETFs to see if they think there would be accounting issues with that ETF.
Here's what Laurie sent back to me about QQQ:
You can account for this in bivio, you just may have some extra work at tax time if the dividends it pays are reclassified on your 1099.
You'll also probably need to adjust the date on any dividend received in January if it is reported as a prior year dividend on your 1099.
Kim Potter
BI Brighton
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 01:37:55 PM EST, Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thank you for your insight! All very helpful points So if we decide to go forward are you saying we should check with
Bivio Support first to see if it would cause a tax problem in reporting?
Thank you!
From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>
On Behalf Of Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 12:06 PM To: club_cafe@bivio.com Subject: Re: [club_cafe] ETFS
IMPORTANT NOTICE - This message sourced from an external mail server outside of the Company.
Barbara,
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly
did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Just some things to consider.
Kim Potter, Treasurer
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 12:49:50 PM EST, Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought
about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>
On Behalf Of Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 12:46 PM To: club_cafe@bivio.com Subject: Re: [club_cafe] ETFS
IMPORTANT NOTICE - This message sourced from an external mail server outside of the Company.
I'm saying you can check with Bivio Support on specific ETFs to see if they think there would be accounting issues with that ETF.
Here's what Laurie sent back to me about QQQ:
You can account for this in bivio, you just may have some extra work at tax time if the dividends it pays are reclassified on your 1099.
You'll also probably need to adjust the date on any dividend received in January if it is reported as a prior year dividend on your 1099.
Kim Potter
BI Brighton
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 01:37:55 PM EST, Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thank you for your insight! All very helpful points So if we decide to go forward are you saying we should check with
Bivio Support first to see if it would cause a tax problem in reporting?
Thank you!
From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>
On Behalf Of Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 12:06 PM To: club_cafe@bivio.com Subject: Re: [club_cafe] ETFS
IMPORTANT NOTICE - This message sourced from an external mail server outside of the Company.
Barbara,
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time.
We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought
it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Just some things to consider.
Kim Potter, Treasurer
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 12:49:50 PM EST, Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering
what you thought about them. We don’t want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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Bob Mann on
I and a co-worker started an investment club in July, 2008, specifically for people who weren't interested in spending time researching stocks or just didn't have the time. We invest only in ETF's. According to BIVIO, our AIRR is 11.6%. We are currently invested in these ETF's:
VBR
VBK
VWO
VOT
VIG
VTI
VEU
VOE
We're not looking for sub-categories or specific sectors or industries. We've not yet had any issues with manually making our entries in Bivio nor with our taxes. We buy underperforming each month and re-balance annually.
Bob Mann
The Passive Club
On 02/03/2021 1:51 PM Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 12:46 PM To: club_cafe@bivio.com Subject: Re: [club_cafe] ETFS
IMPORTANT NOTICE - This message sourced from an external mail server outside of the Company.
I'm saying you can check with Bivio Support on specific ETFs to see if they think there would be accounting issues with that ETF.
Here's what Laurie sent back to me about QQQ:
You can account for this in bivio, you just may have some extra work at tax time if the dividends it pays are reclassified on your 1099.
You'll also probably need to adjust the date on any dividend received in January if it is reported as a prior year dividend on your 1099.
Kim Potter
BI Brighton
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 01:37:55 PM EST, Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thank you for your insight! All very helpful points So if we decide to go forward are you saying we should check with Bivio Support first to see if it would cause a tax problem in reporting?
Thank you!
From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 12:06 PM To: club_cafe@bivio.com Subject: Re: [club_cafe] ETFS
IMPORTANT NOTICE - This message sourced from an external mail server outside of the Company.
Barbara,
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Just some things to consider.
Kim Potter, Treasurer
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 12:49:50 PM EST, Moore, Barbara via bivio.com <user*30736700001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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Laurie Frederiksen on
There is no one answer that fits all ETF's. Some may not be problems, some create some problems and some create issues that you can't address using bivio at all.
If you don't know what kind of issues you might have, your best bet is to send us the ticker at support@bivio.com and we'll research and let you know what you might have to deal with. It's best to do this before you make a purchase.
Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com
I and a co-worker started an investment club in July, 2008, specifically for people who weren't interested in spending time researching stocks or just didn't have the time. We invest only in ETF's. According to BIVIO, our AIRR is 11.6%. We are currently invested in these ETF's:
VBR
VBK
VWO
VOT
VIG
VTI
VEU
VOE
We're not looking for sub-categories or specific sectors or industries. We've not yet had any issues with manually making our entries in Bivio nor with our taxes. We buy underperforming each month and re-balance annually.
Thank you for your insight! All very helpful points So if we decide to go forward are you saying we should check with Bivio Support first to see if it would cause a tax problem in reporting?
IMPORTANT NOTICE - This message sourced from an external mail server outside of the Company.
Barbara,
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
NOTICE: The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, you are hereby notified to: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately.
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I and a co-worker started an investment club in July, 2008, specifically for people who weren't interested in spending time researching stocks or just didn't have the time. We invest only in ETF's. According to BIVIO, our AIRR is 11.6%. We are currently invested in these ETF's:
VBR
VBK
VWO
VOT
VIG
VTI
VEU
VOE
We're not looking for sub-categories or specific sectors or industries. We've not yet had any issues with manually making our entries in Bivio nor with our taxes. We buy underperforming each month and re-balance annually.
Thank you for your insight! All very helpful points So if we decide to go forward are you saying we should check with Bivio Support first to see if it would cause a tax problem in reporting?
IMPORTANT NOTICE - This message sourced from an external mail server outside of the Company.
Barbara,
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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-Sometimes they have distributions which are not taxable dividends but return of capital. If the Brokerage does not catch that, you will pay tax on the dividend that is not really taxable. It pays to keep up with the ETF separately from the brokerage and Bivo.
-This year we had capital gains distributions from an ETF.
None of these are overwhelming. A little more work perhaps, but interesting (no, I am quite sane thank you).
Of the reasons we invested in one ETF, for instance, was because it was impossible to get into small cap companies in the genetics field. Many of them are not well followed by analysts, and certainly not by Value Line and only maybe by Morningstar. So we punted and got into an ETF.
ETFs actually are pretty interesting if you get into comparing them. There is a whole other set of metrics for comparing them.
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred
to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Barbara Moore
Vice President
Charter Title Company
1717 West Loop South
12th floor
Houston, Texas 77027
Phone-713-871-9700
Fax-713-871-8208
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Michael Grove on
We are also looking at some of the genetic engineering stocks (eg BEAM and CRSP) as well as ARKG. We have a couple of concerns. Many of these stocks and ARKG experienced a big jump in October as a result of the Nobel Prize award in this area (wish we had invested in September). I also saw some commentary that ARKG may be subject to a higher level of liquidity risk due the big run up in these stocks and the strong demand for this ETF. (ie the
They invest in small capital companies so as demand for the ETF goes up they find themselves owning significant positions in these stocks (in some cases 10% or more).
-Sometimes they have distributions which are not taxable dividends but return of capital. If the Brokerage does not catch that, you will pay tax on the dividend that is not really taxable. It pays to keep up with the ETF separately from the brokerage and Bivo.
-This year we had capital gains distributions from an ETF.
None of these are overwhelming. A little more work perhaps, but interesting (no, I am quite sane thank you).
Of the reasons we invested in one ETF, for instance, was because it was impossible to get into small cap companies in the genetics field. Many of them are not well followed by analysts, and certainly not by Value Line and only maybe by Morningstar. So we punted and got into an ETF.
ETFs actually are pretty interesting if you get into comparing them. There is a whole other set of metrics for comparing them.
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred
to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
NOTICE: The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, you are hereby notified to: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose,
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Laurie Frederiksen on
It looks like ARKG does a pretty good job of laying out the risks involved in investing in their fund in their Summary Prospectus which you can see here:
Note that if your club uses Schwab as a broker, it will be complicated to do any end of year dividend adjustments which funds like this will require.
Schwab doesn't break down dividend adjustments by dividend pay date on their 1099's. Since you need that information to adjust your club records correctly, you then have an extra step to do to find the per dividend breakdown on the investment website. Then you need to make manual calculations to determine the proper adjustments to each dividend you received so you can fix them before you file your taxes.
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We are also looking at some of the genetic engineering stocks (eg BEAM and CRSP) as well as ARKG. We have a couple of concerns. Many of these stocks and ARKG experienced a big jump in October as a result of the Nobel Prize award in this area (wish we had invested in September). I also saw some commentary that ARKG may be subject to a higher level of liquidity risk due the big run up in these stocks and the strong demand for this ETF. (ie the
They invest in small capital companies so as demand for the ETF goes up they find themselves owning significant positions in these stocks (in some cases 10% or more).
-Sometimes they have distributions which are not taxable dividends but return of capital. If the Brokerage does not catch that, you will pay tax on the dividend that is not really taxable. It pays to keep up with the ETF separately from the brokerage and Bivo.
-This year we had capital gains distributions from an ETF.
None of these are overwhelming. A little more work perhaps, but interesting (no, I am quite sane thank you).
Of the reasons we invested in one ETF, for instance, was because it was impossible to get into small cap companies in the genetics field. Many of them are not well followed by analysts, and certainly not by Value Line and only maybe by Morningstar. So we punted and got into an ETF.
ETFs actually are pretty interesting if you get into comparing them. There is a whole other set of metrics for comparing them.
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred
to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
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Please clarify Laurie what adjustments to the data on the Schwab 1099 are the dates needed?
1.Return of capital listed as a dividend.
2.Adjustments for dividends paid in 2021 meant to be taxable in 2020 .
3.Listed as ordinary instead of qualified ?
In other words, do you have reason to believe the 1099 data for the number 2 or 3 reason can be inaccurate? Is the accuracy only questionable for ETFs, or common stock as well?
Jack
From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen Sent: Thursday, 4 February, 2021 08:12 To: The Club Cafe Subject: Re: [club_cafe] ETFS
It looks like ARKG does a pretty good job of laying out the risks involved in investing in their fund in their Summary Prospectus which you can see here:
Note that if your club uses Schwab as a broker, it will be complicated to do any end of year dividend adjustments which funds like this will require.
Schwab doesn't break down dividend adjustments by dividend pay date on their 1099's. Since you need that information to adjust your club records correctly, you then have an extra step to do to find the per dividend breakdown on the investment website. Then you need to make manual calculations to determine the proper adjustments to each dividend you received so you can fix them before you file your taxes.
Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com
We are also looking at some of the genetic engineering stocks (eg BEAM and CRSP) as well as ARKG. We have a couple of concerns. Many of these stocks and ARKG experienced a big jump in October as a result of the Nobel Prize award in this area (wish we had invested in September). I also saw some commentary that ARKG may be subject to a higher level of liquidity risk due the big run up in these stocks and the strong demand for this ETF. (ie the
They invest in small capital companies so as demand for the ETF goes up they find themselves owning significant positions in these stocks (in some cases 10% or more).
-Sometimes they have distributions which are not taxable dividends but return of capital. If the Brokerage does not catch that, you will pay tax on the dividend that is not really taxable. It pays to keep up with the ETF separately from the brokerage and Bivo.
-This year we had capital gains distributions from an ETF.
None of these are overwhelming. A little more work perhaps, but interesting (no, I am quite sane thank you).
Of the reasons we invested in one ETF, for instance, was because it was impossible to get into small cap companies in the genetics field. Many of them are not well followed by analysts, and certainly not by Value Line and only maybe by Morningstar. So we punted and got into an ETF.
ETFs actually are pretty interesting if you get into comparing them. There is a whole other set of metrics for comparing them.
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
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Laurie Frederiksen on
In order for your income and expenses to be correctly allocated to members and for the cost basis of your stocks to be adjusted correctly, you need to have the information by date for each type of adjustment you listed.
Schwab doesn't show you that information by date of dividend received on their 1099's.
Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com
Please clarify Laurie what adjustments to the data on the Schwab 1099 are the dates needed?
1.Return of capital listed as a dividend.
2.Adjustments for dividends paid in 2021 meant to be taxable in 2020 .
3.Listed as ordinary instead of qualified ?
In other words, do you have reason to believe the 1099 data for the number 2 or 3 reason can be inaccurate? Is the accuracy only questionable for ETFs, or common stock as well?
Jack
From:club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen Sent: Thursday, 4 February, 2021 08:12 To: The Club Cafe Subject: Re: [club_cafe] ETFS
It looks like ARKG does a pretty good job of laying out the risks involved in investing in their fund in their Summary Prospectus which you can see here:
Note that if your club uses Schwab as a broker, it will be complicated to do any end of year dividend adjustments which funds like this will require.
Schwab doesn't break down dividend adjustments by dividend pay date on their 1099's. Since you need that information to adjust your club records correctly, you then have an extra step to do to find the per dividend breakdown on the investment website. Then you need to make manual calculations to determine the proper adjustments to each dividend you received so you can fix them before you file your taxes.
Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com
We are also looking at some of the genetic engineering stocks (eg BEAM and CRSP) as well as ARKG. We have a couple of concerns. Many of these stocks and ARKG experienced a big jump in October as a result of the Nobel Prize award in this area (wish we had invested in September). I also saw some commentary that ARKG may be subject to a higher level of liquidity risk due the big run up in these stocks and the strong demand for this ETF. (ie the
They invest in small capital companies so as demand for the ETF goes up they find themselves owning significant positions in these stocks (in some cases 10% or more).
-Sometimes they have distributions which are not taxable dividends but return of capital. If the Brokerage does not catch that, you will pay tax on the dividend that is not really taxable. It pays to keep up with the ETF separately from the brokerage and Bivo.
-This year we had capital gains distributions from an ETF.
None of these are overwhelming. A little more work perhaps, but interesting (no, I am quite sane thank you).
Of the reasons we invested in one ETF, for instance, was because it was impossible to get into small cap companies in the genetics field. Many of them are not well followed by analysts, and certainly not by Value Line and only maybe by Morningstar. So we punted and got into an ETF.
ETFs actually are pretty interesting if you get into comparing them. There is a whole other set of metrics for comparing them.
Our club bought an ETF (QQQ) for the first time last July, just as a place holder for some cash that we weren't ready to invest at the time. We expected it to out perform cash - which it certainly did.
There was quite a bit of discussion on this list around Nov 6, 2020 that you might want to read.
Here are some issues as I see it:
1. They can cause more work for the Treasurer at tax time - check with bivio support on individual ones. We didn't know that when we bought it.
2. Buying an ETF kind of defeats the purpose of an investment club which is to learn how to evaluate individual stocks.
3. It's hard to evaluate/control your portfolio diversification when you're not in charge of the content.
Our Club (MakeALot) is very much interested in investing in ETFs. I understand they trade like a stock and was wondering what you thought about them. We don't want to incur any extra work for our Treasurer at tax time. I know you have referred to them from time to time so we would appreciate your feedback.
NOTICE: The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, you are hereby notified to: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately.
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