Our goal at bivio is to make sure your club operations can be as simple as possible so you can have an investment club and learn about investing in a real life "lab" and not get bogged down by cumbersome accounting or legal issues.
Toward that goal, we provide guidance on investments (e.g. MLP's, REIT's) and investing techniques( e,g. DRIP investing) which will give your club extra work and headaches and recommend you avoid these as part of your club investing. We also provide you with guidelines and help keeping your investment club accounting simple.
Along these lines we are making the following recommendations for addressing the new Centralized Partnership Audit Requirements which were described here earlier.
We recommend that investment clubs operate in such a manner that they are eligible to "opt out" of the new requirements. This means you will need to follow the guidelines shown below:
To institute these changes in your operations will probably require that you modify your partnership agreement appropriately. We have made modifications to paragraphs 16, 18 23 and 24 in our recommended partnership agreement (below) to address this. We suggest your club adopt similar changes to your agreements.
Though this change in IRS requirements is creating a need for you to address an administrative issue with your club, we don't expect any investment clubs that follow our guidelines for regular monthly, annual and tax time verification of the accuracy of their club records to have any IRS audit issues they will have to address.
If your club does not want to follow our recommendations and thus will not be able to opt out of the new audit filing requirements, you will need to name a "Partnership Representative" each tax year. The representative will have sole authority to negotiate with the IRS and bind the club to any agreement reached without any consultation or input from the club.
Any agreement you want to make between your club and the representative in terms of how they will address an audit situation must be called out in your partnership agreement. While failure to follow those requirements will not have an affect on any agreements made between the representative and the IRS, their breach may allow you to seek damages from the member who made them.
We will outline some of the issues you'll need to address in a separate email.
Clubs which "opt out" do not have to designate a partnership representative.
Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com
Thanks for the info. We are an LLC and not a partnership. It
appears to me that we are treated as a partnership in tax matters
and haven't had a problem in the past. Do these changes apply to
the LLC as well?
Thanks,
Dave Vandaveer
Friday Depositors Investment Club (FDIC)
On 10/19/2018 11:25 AM, Laurie
Frederiksen wrote:
It's
time to make a change.
Our goal at bivio is to make sure
your club operations can be as
simple as possible so you can have
an investment club and learn about
investing in a real life "lab" and
not get bogged down by cumbersome
accounting or legal issues.
Toward that goal, we provide
guidance on investments (e.g.
MLP's, REIT's) and investing
techniques( e,g. DRIP investing)
which will give your club extra
work and headaches and recommend
you avoid these as part of your
club investing. We also provide
you with guidelines and help
keeping your investment club
accounting simple.
Along these lines we are making
the following recommendations for
addressing the new Centralized
Partnership Audit Requirements
which were described here earlier.
We recommend that investment
clubs operate in such a manner
that they are eligible to "opt
out" of the new requirements. This
means you will need to follow the
guidelines shown below:
To institute these changes in
your operations will probably
require that you modify your
partnership agreement
appropriately. We have made
modifications to paragraphs 16, 18
23 and 24 in our recommended
partnership agreement (below) to
address this. We suggest your club
adopt similar changes to your
agreements.
Though this change in IRS
requirements is creating a need
for you to address an
administrative issue with your
club, we don't expect any
investment clubs that follow our
guidelines for regular monthly,
annual and tax time verification
of the accuracy of their club
records to have any IRS audit
issues they will have to address.
If your club does not want to
follow our recommendations and
thus will not be able to opt out
of the new audit filing
requirements, you will need to
name a "Partnership
Representative" each tax year. The
representative will have sole
authority to negotiate with the
IRS and bind the club to any
agreement reached without any
consultation or input from the
club.
Any agreement you want to make
between your club and the
representative in terms of how
they will address an audit
situation must be called out in
your partnership agreement. While
failure to follow those
requirements will not have an
affect on any agreements made
between the representative and the
IRS, their breach may allow you to
seek damages from the member who
made them.
We will outline some of the
issues you'll need to address in a
separate email.
Clubs which "opt out" do not have
to designate a partnership
representative.
Laurie
Frederiksen
Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com
Thanks for the info. We are an LLC and not a partnership. It
appears to me that we are treated as a partnership in tax matters
and haven't had a problem in the past. Do these changes apply to
the LLC as well?
Thanks,
Dave Vandaveer
Friday Depositors Investment Club (FDIC)
John Rice on
In the Opt out requirements it says that the club can not have any members that is a nominee or other similar person that holds an interest on behalf of another person.
Does this include custodial accounts. My club includes my two minor children custodial accounts.
John Rice
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:31 AM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:
The new audit procedures apply to investment clubs that are LLC's also.
Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com
Thanks for the info. We are an LLC and not a partnership. It
appears to me that we are treated as a partnership in tax matters
and haven't had a problem in the past. Do these changes apply to
the LLC as well?