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Withdrawal of Multiple Partners, Doing It Correctly
All,

It has been 8 years since I have done a withdrawal of a
member and now we have three. In addition the last time, I
did anything other than a full cash withdrawal was 2004
(that was for a total of $700). The amounts are significant,
over $20k. It will be cash and stock. We know to transfer
appreciated stock. We have sold our losers so we all get a
capital loss. We are following the PA (which was one from
the NAIC Handbook in 2001). We accepted the withdrawal at
the August Meeting. We set the valuation at our September
meeting. We have 10 days to transfer the funds according to
our PA. We have selected the stocks to transfer and the
correct amount of cash. I have gotten the brokerage accounts
of the withdrawing members and confirmed with our brokerage.
Here are the confusing points. First question: Do we
transfer the stock first and then at a later date the cash
(we have to sell a few stocks to get the right amount of
cash). And then the cash? Second question: And a simple one
that still escapes me. Since there will be some time from
the valuation date (Friday past) and the transfer date
(sometime this week) does the total amount we transfer
remain fixed (IOW when the stocks fluctuate from Friday to
the transfer date does the amount of cash adjust up or down
based on the stock price at the date of transfer) Or do the
units stay fixed and the amount they eventually gets changed
based on what the stock market does between the time of the
valuation and the time of the transfer. Asking for a friend.
:) :)
Kevin:

The formula is: value of partner's interest in the
partnership last Friday minus the total value of the stocks
transferred using last Friday's value equals the remaining
balance in cash you should pay within the ten day period
called for in your agreement.

The departing members the risk (up or down) of changes in
the stock price from last Friday until he/she sells.

Jack Ranby, Treasurer, Grants Partners
It doesn't matter whether you transfer the stock or the cash first, but it's easier to transfer the stock first so that you can be sure you have the right amount for the total withdrawal.

Changes in the value of the stock between the valuation date and the actual transfer date belong to the member receiving the shares. You don't adjust the cash component.

Ira Smilovitz

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Kevin Gillogly <kevin.hdic@gmail.com> wrote:
All,

It has been 8 years since I have done a withdrawal of a
member and now we have three. In addition the last time, I
did anything other than a full cash withdrawal was 2004
(that was for a total of $700). The amounts are significant,
over $20k. It will be cash and stock. We know to transfer
appreciated stock. We have sold our losers so we all get a
capital loss. We are following the PA (which was one from
the NAIC Handbook in 2001). We accepted the withdrawal at
the August Meeting. We set the valuation at our September
meeting. We have 10 days to transfer the funds according to
our PA. We have selected the stocks to transfer and the
correct amount of cash. I have gotten the brokerage accounts
of the withdrawing members and confirmed with our brokerage.
Here are the confusing points. First question: Do we
transfer the stock first and then at a later date the cash
(we have to sell a few stocks to get the right amount of
cash). And then the cash? Second question: And a simple one
that still escapes me. Since there will be some time from
the valuation date (Friday past) and the transfer date
(sometime this week) does the total amount we transfer
remain fixed (IOW when the stocks fluctuate from Friday to
the transfer date does the amount of cash adjust up or down
based on the stock price at the date of transfer) Or do the
units stay fixed and the amount they eventually gets changed
based on what the stock market does between the time of the
valuation and the time of the transfer. Asking for a friend.
:) :)

The last sentence should read: The departing member bears
the risk (up or down) of changes in the stock price until
he/she sells.
John & Ira,

Thanks. I thought that was the case. In fact, another
partner found that language in a google search to the Space
Coast Chapter site. But I just wanted to make sure that we
are doing this correctly. I want to make sure that none of
the club members that are withdrawing will have any reason
to question what we are doing. And like I said it has been
12 twelve years since I did a withdrawal with stock and that
was 18 shares of HD.

Much appreciated.

Here is an example of a stock plus cash withdrawal that might help you also:

Stock Plus Cash Withdrawal Example

Feel free to email your specific plans to support@bivio.com before you transfer anything. We'll be glad to review what you are planning and let you know if there's anything you might want to adjust.

It is difficult, if not impossible to correct stock plus cash withdrawals once shares have been transferred so it's best to know you've got it right before you make the transfers.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Kevin Gillogly <kevin.hdic@gmail.com> wrote:
John & Ira,

Thanks. I thought that was the case. In fact, another
partner found that language in a google search to the Space
Coast Chapter site. But I just wanted to make sure that we
are doing this correctly. I want to make sure that none of
the club members that are withdrawing will have any reason
to question what we are doing. And like I said it has been
12 twelve years since I did a withdrawal with stock and that
was 18 shares of HD.

Much appreciated.