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Dear Leo,

We are always glad to research specific tickers for you before you purchase them. Just email them to support@bivio.com

However, a REIT is a REIT and the inherent complications that come with them are due to the nature of the beast.

There may be ETF's, as John mentioned, that would provide you what you are looking for without some of the accounting hassles. But I personally think it is misleading when it is made to appear that an investment pays a 14% "Dividend". There may be a 14% distribution, but, if you look further you will find, for example that for REM,

http://us.ishares.com/product_info/fund/distributions/REM.htm

Their distributions have been classified in the past as ordinary income which, for most people means a higher tax rate than the rate on dividends.

You can see the impact this has on your after tax returns from REM on this page:

http://us.ishares.com/product_info/fund/performance/REM.htm

Call me skeptical, but if it looks too good to be true, it may be too good to be true.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Leo Cardillo wrote:
Laurie:
Our Club has an interest in REIT's, and I know that you have commented before on some tax implications. Are there some REIT's that Bivio tax software can handle? As Treasurer, I do not want the Club to invest in any vehicle which is not compatible with the Bivio tax software. I know, we could hire a CPA, whatever, but that would have to be the job of another Treasurer! Life is too short and I am too not-so-young!
Best regards,
Leo


Thanks, Laurie!
Other than the current concern over the interest rates and the negative impact on many REIT equities, would a REIT equity in a 401(k) be less of a concern from a tax perspective, since distributions from a 401(k) are treated as ordinary income, anyway?
For the moment, this Treasurer is trying to stay away from REIT equities in our investment club because of my concerns over the impact on out tax preparation and return.
Again, thanks for the great support!


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:
Dear Leo,

We are always glad to research specific tickers for you before you purchase them. Just email them to support@bivio.com

However, a REIT is a REIT and the inherent complications that come with them are due to the nature of the beast.

There may be ETF's, as John mentioned, that would provide you what you are looking for without some of the accounting hassles. But I personally think it is misleading when it is made to appear that an investment pays a 14% "Dividend". There may be a 14% distribution, but, if you look further you will find, for example that for REM,

http://us.ishares.com/product_info/fund/distributions/REM.htm

Their distributions have been classified in the past as ordinary income which, for most people means a higher tax rate than the rate on dividends.

You can see the impact this has on your after tax returns from REM on this page:

http://us.ishares.com/product_info/fund/performance/REM.htm

Call me skeptical, but if it looks too good to be true, it may be too good to be true.

Laurie Frederiksen
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www.bivio.com

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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Leo Cardillo wrote:
Laurie:
Our Club has an interest in REIT's, and I know that you have commented before on some tax implications. Are there some REIT's that Bivio tax software can handle? As Treasurer, I do not want the Club to invest in any vehicle which is not compatible with the Bivio tax software. I know, we could hire a CPA, whatever, but that would have to be the job of another Treasurer! Life is too short and I am too not-so-young!
Best regards,
Leo



Hi Leo,

I guess it would depend on whether your personal situation would make it more advantageous to pay taxes on ordinary income now or later.

But tax reasons aren't the only driving factor. If the overall return isn't very good, it's not going to help you much, even in a 401K

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Leo Cardillo <leofcardillo@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Laurie!
Other than the current concern over the interest rates and the negative impact on many REIT equities, would a REIT equity in a 401(k) be less of a concern from a tax perspective, since distributions from a 401(k) are treated as ordinary income, anyway?


My experience with REITS is that they are very late in getting their tax data out - it's been nearly April 1st. My club likes to file very early in March.


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:
Hi Leo,

I guess it would depend on whether your personal situation would make it more advantageous to pay taxes on ordinary income now or later.

But tax reasons aren't the only driving factor. If the overall return isn't very good, it's not going to help you much, even in a 401K

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Leo Cardillo <leofcardillo@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Laurie!
Other than the current concern over the interest rates and the negative impact on many REIT equities, would a REIT equity in a 401(k) be less of a concern from a tax perspective, since distributions from a 401(k) are treated as ordinary income, anyway?