Percentage of club value to hold as cash
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Percentage of club value to hold as cash We rarely have more than 1% in cash. Occasionally, we will have more if we
can't agree on an investment one month. If we don't have a new investment in
mind, we add to whichever current holding has the best prospects and isn't
overweight in our portfolio. We usually hold between 1x and 1.5x stocks, where x
are the number of members in the club. We also try to keep transaction costs
below 1%
Ira Smilovitz
In a message dated 3/26/2012 4:45:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
carsch2@cox.net writes:
The Investment Club I belong to is concerned about the We don't keep any investment cash on hand. I place $15 a month into a separate Bivio account to pay for miscellaneous expenses and two subscriptions which the club pays for. We buy a new stock or build up an existing stock in our portfolio each month.
John Rice
From: "IraS1@aol.com" <IraS1@aol.com> To: club_cafe@bivio.com Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 1:51:06 PM Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Percentage of club value to hold as cash We rarely have more than 1% in cash. Occasionally, we will have more if we can't agree on an investment one month. If we don't have a new investment in mind, we add to whichever current holding has the best prospects and isn't overweight in our portfolio. We usually hold between 1x and 1.5x stocks, where x are the number of members in the club. We also try to keep transaction costs below 1%
Ira Smilovitz
In a message dated 3/26/2012 4:45:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, carsch2@cox.net writes:
The Investment Club I belong to is concerned about the Carole, From a different perspective... My club "grew up" in NAICland where we were taught to keep every dime invested at all times. After the recession caught us with our perverbial pants down, we recognized the importance of cash, as a whole. George Nicolson, the founder of NAIC/Better Investing, wrote in the 1984 Investment Club Manual, the following:
" ... at the time that a downward adjustment in stock prices occurs, you will have perhaps 50-80% of your funds in cash and short-term bonds and will then be able to make sizeable purchases ..." We've had a sizeable upturn in the market this past few months, and having cash on hand has allowed us to take advantage of good quality stocks that were on sale. Our economy has not yet recovered, and with global financial issues looming and our own unemployment and housing issues still unresolved, the market has not stabilized. Look how many huge corporations are still stashing cash! Our club has been utilizing stop loss orders on those we hold long, and we've been using our side cash to secure put options - which allows us to make great income as we try to pick up stock at discounted prices.
I now believe that having a reasonable amount of cash on the sidelines in the club (or our personal portfolios, for that matter) is akin to having a 4-6 month stash of cash for emergency purposes in our lives. I don't think 12% is a bad number at all.
Lynn Ostrem Crow River Investment Club > George Nicolson, the founder of
NAIC/Better Investing, wrote in the 1984 Investment Club Manual, the
following:
> " ... at the
time that a downward adjustment in stock prices occurs,
> you will have
perhaps 50-80% of your funds in cash and short-term
> bonds and
will then be able to make sizeable purchases
..."
However, read in context, it's pretty clear to me
that Nicholson was NOT suggesting having 50-80% of your entire investment assets
in cash or short-term bonds. He suggested that a well established
club might want to allocate perhaps 25% of the club assets to be managed as
a "Balanced Fund". It was only within this Balanced part of the portfolio
where perhaps 50-80% of funds might end up in cash and short-term bonds under
appropriate market conditions.
Still, this does imply as much as 12% to 20% (25%
of 50-80%) of total portfolio assets in "cash", under appropriate market
conditions in well established clubs.
-Jim Thomas Thanks for the clarification, Jim. Further, let me say that ANY percentage of cash in a club should be there by design, not accident. Nor should it sit there because no one is taking the time to study new stocks. But I am not opposed to my club stashing cash over a several month period if it means we are biding our time, waiting for what we want. This is another area where a cookie cutter, hard and fast rule does not apply.
Lynn O.
So, the purpose of having cash on hand is to jump on some stocks during a recession or some event that triggers a major drop in the market. My club has one stock with a -6% AIRR and the rest are from 5% up to 431% AIRR. Whether the market is up or down we make investments monthly. The cash makes no money. It seems to me that it is better for us to invest our money than to let it sit in a low interest bearing account.
John Rice Good point, John. For my group, we have several stocks we are intersted in...provided we can get the prices we desire. We have 5 members contributing $50 per month, totaling $250 in monthly dues. In February, we sold one covered call on a stock we own, and we used our cash supply to secure puts on 2 stocks we would like to own. That cash netted us an immediate $411, or 4.31% for the month. That's a comparative annualized return of over 50%. Our puts expired this month, so we did not get the stocks on which we sold those puts. Oh darn. We get to keep the money and try again this month! Not a bad problem to have. Eventually we will get stocks put to us, and when we do, they will be at a very good price. Point being: Our cash is far from dead money. In fact, we're making better returns on our conservative options than we are on capital gains.
Have a great week! Lynn O. Dear Lynn, Thank you for sharing what your club is doing. I think there are some very interesting ways you can use options to generate some income on cash if you don't think stocks you like are at an attractive purchase point. I hope you will share more of your club experiences with this group going forward. Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your friends! www.bivio.com Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio Click here to Subscribe to the Club Cafe email list. Click here to Unsubscribe On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Lynn Ostrem wrote:
Jim Thomas, shouldn't your sentence say Still, this does imply as much as 12% to 20% ( 50-80% of 25%) of total portfolio assets in "cash", under appropriate market conditions in well established clubs. Linda Lee, Are you asking if "(25% of 50-80%)" and "(50-80% of 25%)" both mean the same thing (between 12% and 20%)? I believe they do, since 0.25 times 0.80 and 0.80 times 0.25 are both equal to 0.20. -Jim Thomas You're right. I forgot about the commutative property. It's been awhile since I've had arithmetic. I was just translating words to equations. From: Jim Thomas <jimt075@comcast.net> To: club_cafe@bivio.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:31 PM Subject: [club_cafe] Re: Percentage of club value to hold as cash Linda Lee, Are you asking if "(25% of 50-80%)" and "(50-80% of 25%)" both mean the same thing (between 12% and 20%)? I believe they do, since 0.25 times 0.80 and 0.80 times 0.25 are both equal to 0.20. -Jim Thomas |
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