The link Laurie provided appears to be broken. The correct link is http://www.naptp.org/PTP101/Basic_Tax_Principles.html,
Unstated in Laurie's post (and the referenced article) is that when you own
units in an MLP you (the club and each partner) may have tax return filing
requirements in every state where the MLP has operations. Some states have a
filing threshold of $1 of gross income.
We cannot stress strongly enough that clubs should NEVER own an MLP.
Ira Smilovitz
In a message dated 3/2/2012 10:06:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
laurie@bivio.biz writes:
It is
also important to understand that accounting for your ownership is not just a
matter of adding items to your Schedule K and K-1's. For example,
the partnership distributions will affect your basis in your investment in
various ways depending on the type of distribution. It needs to be
adjusted to reflect this.
Partnership distributions will also affect
each club members basis in the club. The amount by which this will be
needs to be determined and the adjustments need to be made.
And,
depending on the type of distributions you've received over the years,
there may be items such as depreciation recapture amounts that will need to be
tracked and taken into account when the investment is ultimately
sold.
Here is a good writeup about all the tax issues related to
MLP's.
But this is only part of the
story. Since you also own it as a partnership, you need to
understand partnership accounting and taxation to really understand how all
the items being discussed need to be handled.
I hope that helps
everyone understand more about why we say you should not hold these in your
investment club.
Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your
friends! www.bivio.com
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM, <IraS1@aol.com> wrote:
All entries from a K-1 that the club receives from a partnership that
it has invested in belong on Schedule K. You just move the entries from
the external partnership to the corresponding line(s) on your Schedule K,
remembering to include any entries to Schedule K which are due to your
club's other investments.
Page 1 is for entries related to a business that your partnership
(club) operated directly.
I'm
trying to report an ordinary business loss from a partnership on
the K-1's that are being sent to members. Do you have any
suggestions how to get this (or some other deduction, somehow) reported on
the K-1, Part III?
Thanks!
Morgan Lamarche on
Thanks Ira and Laurie for the responses! The link Laurie provided did work and appears to be similar to the one Ira provided. I already knew the problems with a MLP investment, but you've helped me understand better how to deal with it. I think with your advice and my accountant we can somehow muddle through this on the Club return.
As a new Treasurer this year, believe me I will not allow any more investments in publicly traded partnerships!! We sold this particular partnership in January so next year I'll have to deal with this all over again, but no more!
The link Laurie provided appears to be broken. The correct link is http://www.naptp.org/PTP101/Basic_Tax_Principles.html,
Unstated in Laurie's post (and the referenced article) is that when you own
units in an MLP you (the club and each partner) may have tax return filing
requirements in every state where the MLP has operations. Some states have a
filing threshold of $1 of gross income.
We cannot stress strongly enough that clubs should NEVER own an MLP.
Ira Smilovitz
In a message dated 3/2/2012 10:06:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
laurie@bivio.biz writes:
It is
also important to understand that accounting for your ownership is not just a
matter of adding items to your Schedule K and K-1's. For example,
the partnership distributions will affect your basis in your investment in
various ways depending on the type of distribution. It needs to be
adjusted to reflect this.
Partnership distributions will also affect
each club members basis in the club. The amount by which this will be
needs to be determined and the adjustments need to be made.
And,
depending on the type of distributions you've received over the years,
there may be items such as depreciation recapture amounts that will need to be
tracked and taken into account when the investment is ultimately
sold.
Here is a good writeup about all the tax issues related to
MLP's.
But this is only part of the
story. Since you also own it as a partnership, you need to
understand partnership accounting and taxation to really understand how all
the items being discussed need to be handled.
I hope that helps
everyone understand more about why we say you should not hold these in your
investment club.
Laurie Frederiksen Invest with your
friends! www.bivio.com
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM, <IraS1@aol.com> wrote:
All entries from a K-1 that the club receives from a partnership that
it has invested in belong on Schedule K. You just move the entries from
the external partnership to the corresponding line(s) on your Schedule K,
remembering to include any entries to Schedule K which are due to your
club's other investments.
Page 1 is for entries related to a business that your partnership
(club) operated directly.
I'm
trying to report an ordinary business loss from a partnership on
the K-1's that are being sent to members. Do you have any
suggestions how to get this (or some other deduction, somehow) reported on
the K-1, Part III?
Thanks!