I agree with you that the key to Apple is what are they going to do next. They certainly have plenty of cash to do anything they want to do but what and when will it happen.
Many wonder if a true Apple TV is next, not a hockey puck like we have now but a real TV. I certainly do believe the TV industry is ripe for a "game changer" just as the cell phone industry was when Apple released the iPhone (5 years ago) or the music industry was when Apple released the iPod (over 11 years ago) and iTunes Store (released about 8 years ago). iPad is well on it's way to changing both the book industry as well as the notebook industry and it was released 3 years ago.
What they have been very successful at with their big things so far is to find that sweet spot. A device that is extremely intriguing to the consumer but that also generates revenues for the providers as well. Can they do it for TV? Not sure, seems hard to imagine, but I am not sure I want to bet against them. When they came out with the iPhone there were a tremendous number of cynics that were not convinced they could change that industry but they did.
Will their next big thing come in the next 3-4 months, I am not sure, like Malcolm I own them (at even higher prices) so it would be nice. And it does seem like we are about "ripe" for another big thing since it has been three years since the iPad.
Unfortunately I do believe they have lost one of the greatest marketers of all time. A true genius at exciting people to spend money on new devices that they had no idea they wanted. I have not seen anybody yet from the current crop of Apple management that I feel can generate that same "electricity" around new products, but maybe that is just because they have not had the next BIG thing to sell.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Malcolm Myles <malcolm@mmyles.com> wrote:
Hi Sharon,
Thanks for the reply and challenge to my flawless inner cranium
logic! I am a legend in parts of my brain, others, well not so
much.
Let's see if I can get these in order...
My Green Felt trade in AAPL is just that - a gamble with my
eduction and experience hopefully pushing the odds to 51:49 in my
favor (ha!). I want to be in a liquid position - one that I'll be
able to recover my cash in a profitable manner in a short time
period (three months or so in this case). I could trade the SPY
or IWM ETFs but considering AAPL's condition and premiums
available I choose to establish a trading position in AAPL.
I don't see the risk of AAPL as all that high considering the way
I've set up the position. The stock is off over 20% while the
market has continued its bull run. This in spite of AAPL having
so many superlatives - awesome sales, $150/sh cash position,
highest capitalization etc, etc, etc... I think that the Market
will establish a bottom somewhere and that I'm close enough to
that bottom to make some serious return on my exposure - I still
consider $700+ in five days as real serious (higher than the
annual income of what, 150 countries?). The alternative is to put
my cash position at risk in a market that is pushing new highs and
most of the stocks on my watch lists are at 52 week highs!
Tax exempt account. I laugh at your tax issues, bwah aha ha ha
ha! As for liquidating the position, I'll use discipline and
options to create positive capital flow and gains on the
position. I would even consider writing two or three month out
options to get higher premiums with nearer to the money strike
prices to encourage Mr. Market to call me away.
The risk of the stock dropping below my basis of $448 and creating
a paper valuation loss for me is highly acceptable given that
fundamental strength of AAPL. I can write calls farther out to
continue to generate income off the position and collect
dividends. I really don't see this as a high risk to my position
as AAPL has tanked 20% already. And the Market has, by many
accounts, room to move up some more (until this Fed Interest Rate
bubble bursts, then it will be all heck!). I would not consider a
BTC on my position unless it is a rollout that will add to my
premium pot. I've learned my lesson about buying back for a loss
... don't do it. Same if the stock moves up and I'm called away.
I'll let it happen and take my profits with pleasure.
Ah, Fundamental Analysis. My feeling is that Apple has
historically been abused by the Market because Mr. Market doesn't
understand what Apple does. The Trading Money may comprehend the
model but the Small Investor doesn't. Apple is a Revolutionary
Company. For a company such as Apple they are game changers that
turn the world upside down. The first Apple II machine was a
revolution. The iMac was a revolution. The iPhone was a
revolution. The iPad was a revolution.
What the investors don't understand is that once the revolutionary
product is released and the impact is registering, the company
uses Evolutionary product developments to fill out the products
life cycle. You can buy an iPhone 5... but it is essentially an
evolution of the original five (just five) year old iPhone. You
can by an iMac which is essentially an evolution of the original
iMac, etc. The Market sees the Revolution and thinks that it is a
fully formed product that will conquer the World on a continual
growth pace that is unrealistic. Its just hogwash. The price
gets inflated on expectations that the next Revolution will happen
very soon and irrational animal spirits are just that -
irrational. The Market whips the stock as a Boom and Bust
cyclical while the company turns out product and makes money...
lots of money. The Trading Money hypes the stock and makes money
on the stair climb up and the elevator ride down. The individual
investors hear the hype, hesitate, hesitate, hesitate, okay, I
just can't miss this ride and buy in near the top. Painful.
I've missed all the Revolutions with Apple because up until last
Fall, because I defined myself as an fundamental investor. I
research and select stocks that are tortoises not rabbits. Stocks
where you can look at the numbers and assume that they have
reasonable expectations of continuing. Buy for a reasonable price,
hold until you either need the money for medical bills or a
house. I've owned Fastenal for over 15 years and have triple
digit returns, didn't worry one day about its price unless I had
new money to put into the position. Apple never fit that criteria
for me - its a boom and bust rabbit.
Now, however, I'm an Covered Options Trader (or worse according to
friends and family... a Day Trader!). I ran an SSG on
AAPL and it burps out a buy range of $375 to $901 which should be
viewed by everyone as the complete joke... I laughed when I saw
that! SSGs are awesome for screening a companies past history.
It captures the data and then shows the user the information that
is easily and simply understandable. It is a great tool for
weeding out the bad stocks and giving you some confidence that
you've found a stock that is quality.
The only aspect of the SSG that I really appreciate is Section 2.
Section 2 tells us how well a company keeps what it makes. If
those historical numbers tell you the company has efficiently used
the proceeds from the Sale of its products, then you have a
company worth looking at for investment. Confirm that the company
is broadcasting that they will continue with the same business
strategy, then you have a keeper. Find a price you can afford and
with potential gains that you like and buy. Apple has no debt for
more than ten years. Apple has a stunning return on equity.
Apple does a great job on Pre-tax Profits. They know what to do
with their Sales... they turn them into Profits.
However, no one knows what the black box of Apple is working on
for the next revolution. No one knows how sales in China will
effect the earnings. No one knows how Piracy in China will affect
sales. No one knows how the sales here in the US will be affected
by the population realizing that the end of the world isn't
happening. The iPhone and iPad were released and have incredible
sales during the greatest economic recession in the history of
the United States. Let that sink in... the company made
Billions of dollars and became the richest company in the world
during the Great Recession when the Employment in the US was a
dismal 89% - not the 96% of the roaring 1990s and 2000s. They
made Billions of dollars while the EU nearly collapsed. They made
Billions of dollars during the Arab Spring. How much money will
they make when the World is not depressed, collapsing or on fire?
Apple, unfortunately, is still in the thrall of speculators and
subject to a huge pile of money just waiting for positive news to
"catch it on the way up". Look at what happened today (6Feb13)...
Ex-dividend (first) tomorrow. Some highly respected crackpot with
some spectacular luck and as many flaming craters, mentions Apple
in a story. No one read it, but his name, the mention, the
story... Stock jumps from 452 to 465 IN TWENTY MINUTES! Do a one
day line chart at five minutes for today and wonder. Nothing
changed in sales, no new product, no revolutionary product
release, nothing... 13 points, $12 Billion added to the market
capitalization because someone mentioned Apple's dividend
that triggered rumors. Pfaw... Bill Miller is a dunce or just
mugged the market - the dividend was just announced in January,
who in their right mind would think the company will raise the
dividend between the announcement and ex-dividend date?
Lastly, and my apologies for the novella, I always ask two
questions when considering investing money hard won into a
company: Can this company go bankrupt and why? Can this company
double its price and why?
For Apple - no, $150/sh cash, $138,681 Million in assets. Yes, but
they'll need to release another Revolutionary Product or colonize
another planet. A double would be over $800 which is a tall
wall. Everything in between a wild ass guess - $375 to $901...
Push comes to shove, I would be happy to own Apple for the
three or four months I hope to have the position. I don't think
I'll have the company in my portfolio much beyond that time frame
- I'm exposing a bit more money than I'm used to in one company.
When we're able to write mini options, I'll reduce my position and
keep writing IF I'm still in the trade.
Sincerely,
Malcolm
ps for those who remember - Sierra the French Bulldog has shown
great progress from her surgery. She will never be 100% as her
spine was repaired, not replaced... but the great news is that she
is well and sound enough to be adopted!
On 1/31/2013 11:20 AM, Sharon
McAllister wrote:
Hi Malcolm,
I enjoy your entertaining writing style.
Here's a homework assignment for you to think through:
You wrote: "So,
my Green Felt trade on AAPL - I want to be liquid and able to
create a cash position quickly if I have too."
If that is the
case, why commit yourself to an option's contract to cover up
a stock position by selling a close out of the money call that
will expire in 16 days? Did you consider that based on the PnF
chart above, AAPL's price has dropped more than 20% of it's
value since the high price it set on January 2nd: a drop which
represents over $100 per share -- (that's more than $10,000
for 100 shares)? All of this negative price action happened
while SPY was making new highs. Based on what I see on your
two PnF charts, the relative price strength of AAPL compared
to SPY is lousy. This speaks to me of a tremendous opportunity
cost on a high risk trade. It's a bit like picking up pennies
in front of a steamroller. Does the risk:reward make your
latest options' trade worthwhile and attractive?
Did you weigh
your option to sell your shares of AAPL outright at a small
gain in order to immediately free up your cash? Did you
examine what a deep in the money call might bring to the table
for you? Keep in mind, that tax rules for deep in the money
calls are something to be aware of if your trade is in a
taxable account. Paul can explain the tax rules better than I
because I do all my options trading in non-taxable accounts.
How
will you manage your trade if AAPL's price pushes down below
$432, which would be the price where a PnF sell signal would
be generated? I presume at that price you will have then
ponied up more money on the table to buy back your covered
call position. Do you want to shell more money out to close
this particular covered call?
If
AAPL's price does push up, will you enter a combo order so you
can pay one commission to BTC and then immediately sell your
shares for a net debit?
Finally,
what did your updated fundamental analysis tell you about
APPL's earning results? What about management's effectiveness
with respect to that barbed wire fence: did they pass muster
with respect to ROE, and PTPM? Is AAPL a quality growth
company with good growth potential going forward? How likely
is past performance likely to proceed out into the future? Do
you want to own AAPL?
I am cheering
for AAPL's stock price to go up because a friend of mine has a
position.
I also
apologize in advance for asking so many questions. Please
think through the answers to what I have written: put them in
your trading journal. You may share them here on the Cool Club
discussion list if you would like to share them. It's not
necessary for you to turn in this homework assignment to
anybody other than yourself.
Like you, I
learn the most from real money trades.
Enjoy the
dividend... AAPL goes ex-divvy Feb 7. Then again, you may be
called away early and live to tell about it. <grin>
Sharon
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM,
Malcolm Myles <malcolm@mmyles.com>
wrote:
Hello,
Quite the heady days of froth and foam! 14,000 is but a
number but it is so even, so round, so big it just can't
be ignored by the talking heads who claim they want
nothing but surety in the market
and then present six contrasting views of why 14,000 is
so... important/unimportant, monumental/insignificant,
worthy/unworthy, the top/far from the top, etc, etc,
etc. Beware the Jaberwocky...
I wrote my call on my newly disappointing position in
AAPL (I've been informed that shareholder ownership does
NOT convey free Apple products, imagine my dismay).
28Jan13 STO 1x 13-02-16 465.00 @ $5.50, APR 23%, $541.06
Expires in 14 trading days
BTC if premium drops below $1.10 (20% of orig)
Exercised - Well, here's the rub... the math says
I'll have $2,158 take home which would be a good months
salary for 95% of the US. Oh, I'll have my principle
back in my account too.
As I mentioned, this is a Green Felt play (using my FAST
proceeds). I believe we are in a internal bull market -
a bull market within a bull market. All indications are
that any piece of bad news will send a lot of people
packing and the market will drop. My plan for such a
circumstance is to watch movies at the theater, walk the
dogs and continue to enjoy my life. My portfolio has
quality stock positions that will survive any market
relapse as it did in '81, '87, '97, '07 and if it is a
cataclysmic event, well, my portfolio won't really save
me from apocalyptic events.
Why I took this position is based off of this chart from
Stock Charts, it is a Point and Figure Chart for Apple:
As you can see, the stock has been thrash in the last few
months but has had the barest of "turn around" events in
the recent days. I hope to capture just a portion of a
confirmation of this reversal and get back into cash. If
the reversal is false and continues down, I'll be in a
loosing valuation - Green Felt Trades have risk - and
continue to write CC as I am able above my basis of $443
of one of the richest companies in the World.
This is also a live training trade for me. (I'm sorry, I
know it is preferred, but I just can't trade in a false
account. I'm a trained Biologist and to "dry lab"
anything is just anathema to me). I want to incorporate
P&F charts for my overall investing strategy and for
my option trading. Case in point - here is the SPY
P&F chart. The RSI for SPY is 75.63 which means a
pull back, but I doubt that the pull back will break the
blue trend line in the 120 range - that would be a pretty
significant move. While we are nearing an all time high
in the markets, there is some room for it go for a while
longer, with bumps down to the blue line of course. The
higher and longer it goes, however, the greater the worry.
So, my Green Felt trade on AAPL - I want to be liquid and
able to create a cash position quickly if I have too.
When AAPL starts mini options, I'll be first in line to
reduce my exposure too.
Plenty of resources on Ivestopedia and StockCharts about
P&F Charts. I'm still learning so don't take anything
I say as sound advice... except going to movies and dog
walking, those you can take to the bank.
Cheers,
Malcolm
On 1/25/2013 1:14 PM, Malcolm Myles wrote:
Player
rolls a... 4 and 3, Craps out...
Apple tanked again to $439.85 after blowing by my
expertly determined bottom of $450.
Hey, I own Apple! 100 shares, at an immediate
valuation loss of $9.01 per share! Whee haw... I
get a new iPad with that right? Apple people?
Shareholders get free stuff? right?... right? free
stuff?...
Monday I'll write a CC on my 100 shares with a
short expiration date at somewhere above $448.
Write it up, set my alerts and keep an ear tuned
to the birds outside... that birdseed won't spread
itself you know!
Saw a great quote - Never complain about getting
old. It is something that is denied to so many!
Malcolm
On 1/24/2013 10:06 AM, Malcolm Myles wrote:
Apple
got whacked. Hard. Sooo...
STO 1x AAPL 13-01-25
450.00 @ 1.50, APR 112%, Net 141.05 ($10
lower than the shake out, 1 day out)
Trade went through from the sofa with my iPhone
at 11:30am EST after the news was sinking in
that the stock was off 10% at the open.
Expiration worthless on Friday... just need to
do it ten more times to pay for my Apple
products
Called on Friday... write a call right away, do
it ten times to pay for my Apple products
BTC... right... if I can, my BTC price is below
$0.19, stock would have to be at $465 sometime
tomorrow in order to get to that price,
possible, not probable.
Pure and simple Green Felt play hoping to pay
for the iPhone, iPad, iPod... iHope there isn't
any iPain.
Cheers,
Malcolm
Laurie Frederiksen on
Actually Malcolm the reason for the spike in AAPL price this morning was my investment club.
Last night we decided we thought it was a bit oversold and we should pick up a couple more shares. We could either do a no commission "window trade" and take whatever price was available at 11AM this morning or spend $3 on a limit order to try and restrict our buy to $450 or better.
I argued for the limit because I knew the stock had been a bit up during the day and thought the probability of it pulling back a bit again was a reasonable guess.
Unfortunately I lost the vote. At 11AM or so was when we had the temporary blip above 460 today. Probably just long enough for our window trade to trigger at the high for the day.
Good thing was that that was high enough for me to be able to buy back my 460 Put and make a little money.
Just thought all you technical indicator wizzes should be aware of the Cash22 effect.
Laurie
Art Christensen on
I wonder about AAPL and what it's price has been
doing lately. Remember the old investing saying "Don't catch a falling
knife". I'm sure it wont be like ENRN (ENRON) some 10 years ago, but where is
its near-term bottom??
A lot of competitors have stepped in with "i" type
products as good or better than many of Apples, and a lot cheaper. Just
some thoughts.
It will be a good experiment and learning as it
pans out.
Good luck with it.
Incidentally, I have worked thru about all of the
COOL Club materials and set up an OIC paper trading portfolil and am
getting about ready to try a live Covered Call. I'm probably the one that will
need the luck.
Actually Malcolm the reason for the spike in AAPL price this
morning was my investment club.
Last night we decided we thought
it was a bit oversold and we should pick up a couple more shares. We
could either do a no commission "window trade" and take whatever price was
available at 11AM this morning or spend $3 on a limit order to try and
restrict our buy to $450 or better.
I argued for the limit because I
knew the stock had been a bit up during the day and thought the probability of
it pulling back a bit again was a reasonable guess.
Unfortunately I
lost the vote. At 11AM or so was when we had the temporary blip above
460 today. Probably just long enough for our window trade to trigger at
the high for the day.
Good thing was that that was high enough for me
to be able to buy back my 460 Put and make a little money.
Just thought
all you technical indicator wizzes should be aware of the Cash22
effect.
Laurie
Malcolm Myles on
Hi Art,
Luck favors the prepared. And education is the cure for being
scared.
I would advise you to check with Laurie before trading - the Club
Affect is well documented and not to flaunted!
I remember watching Enron. I always asked myself and anyone who
would listen - what are these guys creating and selling? No one
could answer the question. Apple makes products that people on
food stamps will buy with their cigarette money. That is one heck
of a product. Not really a falling knife anymore. But hard to
measure potential gains on a stock that appears to be
transitioning from a growth characteristic to a valuation
characteristic. I heard an Enron pundit this afternoon say, "just
because it went to 700 doesn't mean it will go back to 700". No
S**T Sherlock! Why'd it go to 700 in the first place? The
grinning pony tailed clown sitting next to you have anything to do
with that?
Sorry, the talking heads get me... irritated.
Yesterday, they grilled this finance professor and he did a real
nice job - during the trader segment on MSNBC - after squawk on
the street, strangle the bird, I think...
Dr. Aswath Damodaran, PhD. Professor of Finance at the Stern
School of Business at New York University. I looked him up and am
adding him to my reading list. This blog caught my eye.
I realize I may have sounded negative about Apple. I'm not. I
hope it cooks along and makes everyone happy with their products
and the stock just cranks out money. I just don't see it
happening like a rabbit, but more like a tortoise for a while.
With the traders whipping it like they are, I'm happy to take a
little out of the middle.
Run your trade by the group - I've gotten encouragement, incite
and caution where I wasn't seeing issues that concerned my
trades. Even if the trade isn't one you'll end up doing, it will
help your thought process to develop.
Mine process is whacked but developing. Heck, six months ago me
owning a 100 shares of Apple was sheer lunacy. Now... I'm a
technical indicator wizard. Goin' get me an owl, a stick and a
broom!
Malcolm
On 2/6/2013 7:21 PM, Art Christensen
wrote:
I wonder about AAPL and what it's
price has been doing lately. Remember the old investing saying
"Don't catch a falling knife". I'm sure it wont be like ENRN
(ENRON) some 10 years ago, but where is its near-term bottom??
A lot of competitors have stepped
in with "i" type products as good or better than many of
Apples, and a lot cheaper. Just some thoughts.
It will be a good experiment and
learning as it pans out.
Good luck with it.
Incidentally, I have worked thru
about all of the COOL Club materials and set up an OIC paper
trading portfolil and am getting about ready to try a live
Covered Call. I'm probably the one that will need the luck.
Actually Malcolm the reason for the spike in AAPL price this
morning was my investment club.
Last night we decided we thought it was a bit oversold and we
should pick up a couple more shares. We could either do a no
commission "window trade" and take whatever price was available
at 11AM this morning or spend $3 on a limit order to try and
restrict our buy to $450 or better.
I argued for the limit because I knew the stock had been a bit
up during the day and thought the probability of it pulling back
a bit again was a reasonable guess.
Unfortunately I lost the vote. At 11AM or so was when we had
the temporary blip above 460 today. Probably just long enough
for our window trade to trigger at the high for the day.
Good thing was that that was high enough for me to be able to
buy back my 460 Put and make a little money.
Just thought all you technical indicator wizzes should be aware
of the Cash22 effect.
Laurie
Malcolm Myles on
Hi All,
More Apple fun...
Last Friday was expiration for my 1x APPL 13-02-16 465.00 C and it was
an exiting day... For some reason the option was maintaining a >$1 time
value at the open. By noon EST I was ITM by a $1.70 and expecting to be
called away as the option value has risen to $2.69. You could cut the
tension with photons, but red shifted because it is going away from me.
I was resigned to let the stock be called away and actually had
alternative plans for my money to go back to work. But... at noon PST,
when I came back to radiation box, the bottom had fallen out and my
option was worth $.20 - hmm.
I decided to do a roll out - BTC my 465 call and STO another call for
next week. I ran through the calculators and decided to be conservative
and so...
BTC 1x APPL 13-02-16 465.00 @ $0.20 AND
STO 1x APPL 13-02-22 470.00 @ $2.75, APR 30%, $266.05 for four days
of photon dodging.
(ROO 0.6%, TR potential 5.5%, APR 286.8% - BCI spreadsheet,
nice tool, by the way).
Stock ended up closing OTM and I could have put on the trade without the
BTC this morning (Tues) but I would have lost the 2.75 value as it also
dropped by close on Friday. Pretty satisfied with my trade. I also
captured the dividend on Thursday.
Apple is an interesting option play. I'm torn though. I could make the
same premium yields by trading multiple contract of less valued stocks -
it is a hefty position to have exposed in the market. I'm thinking that
my next move may be closer to an ITM or ATM strike and let the ride
end... until the mini options become available.
Unless someone else has a trading plan for Apple that is working for
them and I could possibly emulate?
Big blow heading East - ripped through here last night... look for it by
Wednesday in the "Old West".